Sunday, 29 April 2018

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

I'm the moderator of 2 other Yahoo groups for many years now. The creator of
them has vanished years ago and was from the UK. I have asked many times
to be bumped up to group owner, but never get a reply.

True thing said here in another post is its a free service. So in reality it
can disappear without notice, warning or liability at ANY time. Same goes
for groups.io

I have seen mailman supplied with cpanel on websites serve as an email list
quite well. Also I once found a script called yahoo to mbox ti import all
messages
from a yahoo group I closed, into phpbb format so they were present in the
forums after I made the group into a website. Phpbb also had a mail2forum
and forum2mail
plugin so you could still do posts to and from via email instead of loging
in with the browser. Its been years since I did that though, not sure what
they offer now.

--
Steve Hearns
KA2PTE
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President SOVARC amateur radio club [ www.sovarc.org ]
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----- Original Message -----
From: "patrick@ae1pt.com [Amateur-repairs]"
<Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com>
To: <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to
group disappear

> Donald, I think that is a very sad thing to say. The fact is now--and in
> the past--this Yahoo venue has not fully been meeting the needs of the
> amateur community. Workarounds and accommodations are not 'protocol' nor
> are they acceptable for a working and interactive community.
>
>
>
> I remember 'back in the day' when Bill Leahy K0ZL (SK 2/2/2009) founded
> this group. Yahoo and it's groups were a viable venue to run such
> things--outside of a dedicated server or VPS and an installation of the
> LISTSERV program. That time has LONG past.
>
>
>
>
>
> Of great concern to me is the absence in this discussion from our admin
> owner, Jose Gavila--EB5AGV. Perhaps he is too busy--but should not be. I
> am thinking that this group needs to transition from Yahoo, and to
> something more modern and accessible.
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone else feel the same way?
>
>
>
>
>
> PT
>
> AE1PT
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>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 


This is starting to read like we are not getting our money's worth for a pay
service. Two things to remember here: Times of corporate changeover can be
chaotic and things can be in flux for a long time before the dust settles. Have
some patience. Secondy, it IS a free service. They don't owe us anything. I
think Jose has already stated his position.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On 29 Apr 2018 04:26:38 +0000, patrick@ae1pt.com [Amateur-repairs] wrote:

>Donald, I think that is a very sad thing to say. The fact is now--and in the past--this Yahoo venue has not fully been meeting the needs of the amateur community. Workarounds and accommodations are not 'protocol' nor are they acceptable for a working and interactive community.
>
> I remember 'back in the day' when Bill Leahy K0ZL (SK 2/2/2009) founded this group. Yahoo and it's groups were a viable venue to run such things--outside of a dedicated server or VPS and an installation of the LISTSERV program. That time has LONG past.
>
> Of great concern to me is the absence in this discussion from our admin owner, Jose Gavila--EB5AGV. Perhaps he is too busy--but should not be. I am thinking that this group needs to transition from Yahoo, and to something more modern and accessible.
>
> Does anyone else feel the same way?
>
> PT
>
> AE1PT

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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

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Saturday, 28 April 2018

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

Donald, I think that is a very sad thing to say. The fact is now--and in the past--this Yahoo venue has not fully been meeting the needs of the amateur community. Workarounds and accommodations are not 'protocol' nor are they acceptable for a working and interactive community.

I remember 'back in the day' when Bill Leahy K0ZL (SK 2/2/2009) founded this group. Yahoo and it's groups were a viable venue to run such things--outside of a dedicated server or VPS and an installation of the LISTSERV program. That time has LONG past.


Of great concern to me is the absence in this discussion from our admin owner, Jose Gavila--EB5AGV. Perhaps he is too busy--but should not be. I am thinking that this group needs to transition from Yahoo, and to something more modern and accessible.


Does anyone else feel the same way?


PT
AE1PT


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Posted by: patrick@ae1pt.com
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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

Another thing you could do is change email providers and the address
you use to access this group in your group settings on Yahoo.

Yahoo Mail isn't as bad as many make it out to be, but it has its
moments. GMX.com mail works well, and I believe you can set it up for
POP access (maybe IMAP also) if you want to use an email program like
Thunderbird or Outlook to grab your mail.

Donald

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:18:03 -0400, "donhellen@roadrunner.com
[Amateur-repairs]" <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>Gmail suppresses copies of what it sent out by default, even if
>they're posts of the same coming back from a Yahoo group. I"ve read
>about it in the GMF (group manager's forum) on Yahoo and there's a
>fix.
>
>
>There is a setting you will have to find and change so that you get
>copies.

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --Selwyn Duke

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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

.

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

Prasad,

Gmail suppresses copies of what it sent out by default, even if
they're posts of the same coming back from a Yahoo group. I"ve read
about it in the GMF (group manager's forum) on Yahoo and there's a
fix.

There is a setting you will have to find and change so that you get
copies.

That doesn't explain your posts not showing up on the group site, as
you claim is happening. But it might explain why you don't see your
posts from Gmail showing up in your inbox after they post to the
group.

I don't use Gmail for posting to groups, so perhaps someone else can
help you change the setting so that they do.

Donald
KJ3I

On 26 Apr 2018 23:24:17 +0000, "ad_prasad@yahoo.com [Amateur-repairs]"
<Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>You receive this post and also the previous post below because I am posting them directly from the group home page using the reply button. Before that I had tried posting from my Yahoo mail and they came back as undeliverable. That is precisely the current problem with Yahoo.

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --Selwyn Duke

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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

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Friday, 27 April 2018

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

Yahoo Groups is stinky at best, in my opinion...

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 5:00 AM, lhouseparker@livingston.net
[Amateur-repairs] <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> In the past few days I've tried replying to posts on this group from my
> home Email client, and then tried to make a new topic, but they have not
> showed up as posted in my inbox, nor do they appear online in the group's
> web address at yahoogroups.com - they just vanished, with no failure to
> deliver message coming back. I know they went out because I CC'd to another
> address and they went through OK. This time I'm trying by directly logging
> on to this Yahoo group via the web.
>
>
>
> This never happened in the past. I can still send Emails to and from my
> Yahoo address, and I still receive posts from various groups made by other
> users, but suddenly I cannot post anything to groups either via my home
> Email client or via Yahoo Mail. Now when I reply directly via Yahoo Mail to
> a post I received from another group, I get back a delivery failure message
> from Yahoo's "MAILER-DAEMON" saying:
>
> > Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message....
> > Unable to deliver message after multiple retries, giving up.
>
>
> So Yahoo Mail is now saying they cannot deliver a message to some of their
> own active groups. Does anyone know what's going on? This seems to be
> following Verizon's taking over Yahoo (now part of the Oath media company,
> they say) - are they blocking new posts? When I log on to Yahoo mail
> service they now pop up a "new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy" that
> lays out what seems to me to be rather invasive requirements allowing them
> to do whatever they want with all your messages, photos, activities, across
> all your devices, etc., and then add an arbitration clause limiting your
> ability to complain. This looks like the same behavior that Facebook is
> currently being criticized for.
>
>
>
> If this is so than I would suggest that Amateur Repairs consider leaving
> Yahoo Groups and moving to another service.
>
>
> 73
>
> John KE5ZB
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>

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Posted by: tron nee <troneee@gmail.com>
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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

does it make a difference if you post in PLAIN TEXT vs HTML format?

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Posted by: John Becker <w0jab@big-river.net>
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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

.

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

It's interesting that some can send via email, and others of us cannot. A notice pursuant to the 'first' message I sent and mentioned as a test appeared last night--24 hours after sending. The next will occur at the 72 hour marker. My returned message reads:

***The message identifier is: 1fBQEl-0005uB-SU

The subject of the message is: RE: [Amateur-repairs] Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear
The date of the message is: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:37:54 -0400

The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is:

Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com mailto:Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com
host fo-mx-groups.mail.am0.yahoodns.net [98.138.113.36]***


As a matter of note, I maintain my own mail services (Exim & Dovecot) on an Apache VPS server at inmotionhosting.com. Everything is solid from the Trustwave s/mime certificates through being continuously blacklist monitored for YEARS via MXtools with no problems. Everyone in my own domains, and the half-dozen or so I host for non-profit agencies GETS THEIR EMAIL. Except for Yahoo...

The important thing we (and especially so the site owner/admin) is that as the degree of difficulty to share information on 'the fly' increases, commensurately participation decreases. While I might respond to a "stinking tool handle" thread while going through my email--it is highly unlikely that I am going to waste time going to Yahoo and dealing with what is encountered there.


Something to think about.


PT

---In Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com, <oneghose@...> wrote :

In my case it is like this:
Message not delivered
There was a problem delivering your message to Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com mailto:Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com. See the technical details below.
read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
Final-Recipient: rfc822; Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com mailto:Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com

Action: failed
Status: 4.4.2
Remote-MTA: dns; fo-mx-groups.mail.am0.yahoodns.net. (98.138.113.36, the
server for the domain yahoogroups.com.)
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 19:23:40 -0700 (PDT)

73 de Sudipta Ghose VU2UT


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Posted by: patrick@ae1pt.com
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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

In my case it is like this:
Message not delivered
There was a problem delivering your message to Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com. See the technical details below.
read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
Final-Recipient: rfc822; Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com

Action: failed
Status: 4.4.2
Remote-MTA: dns; fo-mx-groups.mail.am0.yahoodns.net. (98.138.113.36, the
server for the domain yahoogroups.com.)
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 19:23:40 -0700 (PDT)

73 de Sudipta Ghose VU2UT

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Posted by: oneghose@gmail.com
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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

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Thursday, 26 April 2018

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

You receive this post and also the previous post below because I am posting them directly from the group home page using the reply button. Before that I had tried posting from my Yahoo mail and they came back as undeliverable. That is precisely the current problem with Yahoo.

Prasad
AB3EH

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Posted by: ad_prasad@yahoo.com
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Have you tried the highest rated email app?
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE: login to groups.yahoo.com, select group amateur-repairs, click on "leave group" on right side of screen and follow instructions.  PLEASE do not send UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list.

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages to group disappear

 

I also receive your post.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:06 PM, BOB ROYSTON n4vnl@yahoo.com
[Amateur-repairs] <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I am receiving your post here
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 4/26/18, Prasad ad_prasad@yahoo.com [Amateur-repairs] <
> Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Re: Test 4th attempt to post, my messages
> to group disappear
> To: Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2018, 2:15 PM
>
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>
>
> The problem of bouncing started only two or three
> days ago. I am a heavy poster on several of these groups.
> Never had this problem until now.. Trying again now
>
> PrasadAB3EH
>
> On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 12:07:00 PM EDT, John
> Becker w0jab@big-river.net [Amateur-repairs]
> <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
>
>
>
> replying from my email client and always do.
> (Thunderbird)
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 4/26/2018 5:48 AM, ad_prasad@yahoo.com [Amateur-repairs]
> wrote:
>
> > Yahoo groups has been facing plenty of problems. The
> newest problem is, for the past few days it is not possible
> to post directly using any mail client. Posting works only
> if you log in to the group and use "reply" button
> or "new post" button. My earlier attempts to post
> this message came back saying "unable to deliver".
> I am now posting directly.
>
> >
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> > Prasad
>
> > AB3EH
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