Metalwork - Lathe and Mill topics: 2018

Monday, 15 October 2018

Re: [electronics101] Old test equipment made new again

On Sunday 14 October 2018 01:52:10 pm Steven AE7HD via Groups.Io wrote:
> I've ended up with a lot of older test equipment, and in cleaning up my lab and such, I've realized I have
> WAY more than I thought I had.
> I can't bring myself to toss it. It all either works, or would be easily repairable. But do I really need a Heathkit RLC bridge? An old tube signal tracer? A JFET analog multimeter? Two Heathkit capacitor testers?

I wouldn't mind playing with some of that stuff...

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> I'm on an antique test equipment Facebook page. They are very vociferous about saving old gear, and get very angry when someone Steampunks an old 'scope. Yet they aren't interested in buying any of this unless I sell it essentially for the cost of shipping.

Well, first off I don't do facebook. And, while I'd be interested in some of that stuff, I probably couldn't do much more than the cost of shipping as well. If you're inclined to part with some of it, let's take it up in email and we'll figure it out from there.

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> Some of these things have the "magic eye" tubes in them.

I'm rather fond of those things, and have only *one* bit of gear that has one in it...

> What do you think? Anyone else in the same boat?

Sure. But I do get comments from people who come in here about how "well equipped" my shop seems to be. :-)

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Re: [electronics101] Old test equipment made new again

Hi Steven,

Many people are in the same boat. There are a lot of old test equipment which is not use able, but I will not trash it anyway. Your idea to do something with that is very good.

Over the years, many people contacted me via my website (HomebrewHub.org) and donated many items. Those units which can be repaired and are use able, I give away to other HAM's or make use of them. The surplus I usually put on the "free stuff" table on next ham fest.

Try that approach. Bring your surplus items on the next ham fest and make some people happy.

73. Vesselin, AB8PG
HomebrewHub.org Admin

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On Sun, 10/14/18, Steven AE7HD via Groups.Io <alienrelics=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: [electronics101] Old test equipment made new again
To: "electronics101@groups.io" <electronics101@groups.io>
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2018, 1:52 PM

I've ended up with a
lot of older test equipment, and in cleaning up my lab and
such, I've realized I have
WAY more than I thought I had.
I can't bring myself to toss it. It all
either works, or would be easily repairable. But do I really
need a Heathkit RLC bridge? An old tube signal tracer? A
JFET analog multimeter? Two Heathkit capacitor
testers?
I even have what was once a very expensive device
meant for testing of digital circuits. You can compare two
devices, known good against unknown, or make an EPROM that
stores the proper answers. Very handy equipment, very
expensive in 1982. Way more capable circuits available now
for under $100.
I'm on an antique test equipment Facebook
page. They are very vociferous about saving old gear, and
get very angry when someone Steampunks an old 'scope.
Yet they aren't interested in buying any of this unless
I sell it essentially for the cost of shipping.
I'm inclined to just gut them and use the
cases to build newer, better test equipment. Or Steampunk
some of the really old stuff. Some of these things have the
"magic eye" tubes in them.
What do you think? Anyone else in the same
boat?

Steve
Greenfield AE7HD
http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenjgreenfield

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Sunday, 14 October 2018

Re: [electronics101] Old test equipment made new again

Steve -

Sounds like my garage/shop! Lots of old Heath/Eico stuff. I even have an original Simpson 260 (with the flat silkscreened panel - I've been told it's the series 0), vintage ~1939, inherited from my dad. Growing up just post depression & through WWII, I have problems throwing ANYTHING away! And sometimes even wind up using it.

Norm w6nim

just up the road from you, in Concrete, on the Skagit River.

On 10/14/2018 10:52 AM, Steven AE7HD via Groups.Io wrote:

I've ended up with a lot of older test equipment, and in cleaning up my lab and such, I've realized I have
WAY more than I thought I had.

I can't bring myself to toss it. It all either works, or would be easily repairable. But do I really need a Heathkit RLC bridge? An old tube signal tracer? A JFET analog multimeter? Two Heathkit capacitor testers?

I even have what was once a very expensive device meant for testing of digital circuits. You can compare two devices, known good against unknown, or make an EPROM that stores the proper answers. Very handy equipment, very expensive in 1982. Way more capable circuits available now for under $100.

I'm on an antique test equipment Facebook page. They are very vociferous about saving old gear, and get very angry when someone Steampunks an old 'scope. Yet they aren't interested in buying any of this unless I sell it essentially for the cost of shipping.

I'm inclined to just gut them and use the cases to build newer, better test equipment. Or Steampunk some of the really old stuff. Some of these things have the "magic eye" tubes in them.

What do you think? Anyone else in the same boat?

Steve Greenfield AE7HD http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenjgreenfield

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Re: [electronics101] Old test equipment made new again

I think it's your equipment to do with as you please. If someone doesn't
value it more as it is, then make it into something that you find more
to your liking and enjoy the new gear!

JMHO, of course.
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On 2018-10-14 01:52 PM, Steven AE7HD via Groups.Io wrote:
> I've ended up with a lot of older test equipment, and in cleaning up my
> lab and such, I've realized I have
> WAY more than I thought I had.
>
> I can't bring myself to toss it. It all either works, or would be easily
> repairable. But do I really need a Heathkit RLC bridge? An old tube
> signal tracer? A JFET analog multimeter? Two Heathkit capacitor testers?
>
> I even have what was once a very expensive device meant for testing of
> digital circuits. You can compare two devices, known good against
> unknown, or make an EPROM that stores the proper answers. Very handy
> equipment, very expensive in 1982. Way more capable circuits available
> now for under $100.
>
> I'm on an antique test equipment Facebook page. They are very vociferous
> about saving old gear, and get very angry when someone Steampunks an old
> 'scope. Yet they aren't interested in buying any of this unless I sell
> it essentially for the cost of shipping.
>
> I'm inclined to just gut them and use the cases to build newer, better
> test equipment. Or Steampunk some of the really old stuff. Some of these
> things have the "magic eye" tubes in them.
>
> What do you think? Anyone else in the same boat?
>
>
> Steve Greenfield AE7HD http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenjgreenfield
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[electronics101] Old test equipment made new again

I've ended up with a lot of older test equipment, and in cleaning up my lab and such, I've realized I have
WAY more than I thought I had.

I can't bring myself to toss it. It all either works, or would be easily repairable. But do I really need a Heathkit RLC bridge? An old tube signal tracer? A JFET analog multimeter? Two Heathkit capacitor testers?

I even have what was once a very expensive device meant for testing of digital circuits. You can compare two devices, known good against unknown, or make an EPROM that stores the proper answers. Very handy equipment, very expensive in 1982. Way more capable circuits available now for under $100.

I'm on an antique test equipment Facebook page. They are very vociferous about saving old gear, and get very angry when someone Steampunks an old 'scope. Yet they aren't interested in buying any of this unless I sell it essentially for the cost of shipping.

I'm inclined to just gut them and use the cases to build newer, better test equipment. Or Steampunk some of the really old stuff. Some of these things have the "magic eye" tubes in them.

What do you think? Anyone else in the same boat?

Steve Greenfield AE7HD http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenjgreenfield

Monday, 3 September 2018

Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Test Post

Got it, hopefully get more!

I'm not a big poster but I do enjoy it.

Got a few helpful tips from the files too!

Thanks, Dave

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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Date: 9/3/18 16:42 (GMT-06:00)

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Test Post

Robert Downs

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good here

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No problems all good here

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Yez it worked

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It worked

Get Outlook for Android

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Test Post

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No problems all good here

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Bruce & Andrei,

The reason for my test post was to prove that groups.io is still up and running. Someone mistakenly posted to the old Yahoo Atlas_Craftsman address which is supposed to be shut down, but Yahoo, indicating further degradation of their server, let it and several other replying posts through. No one had posted to Atlas-Craftsman@groups.io in a little over two weeks so I was just making sure that it still worked.

Robert Downs

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You pass.

Bruce Monson

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Test Post

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You pass.

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Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Test Post

It worked

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Test Post

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[atlas-craftsman IO] Test Post

Test Post

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Wednesday, 18 July 2018

Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

In Thunderbird, both of your messages are still threaded. If you
look at the message source, you will find a line called "Thread-Index:"
with some hashed data after it. That line determines what thread, and
where in that thread your message belongs.

Microsoft is quite well known for breaking the way things are
supposed to be. I wouldn't doubt that they did something to Outlook to
make it more friendly for novice users.

On 07/18/2018 01:53 PM, Michael Jablonski wrote:
> Hmmm, well it looks to me that changing the subject line did in fact
> start a new topic. I was told that doing this does not start a new
> topic, but at least to me it appears that it does.
>
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> *From:* 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] *On
> Behalf Of *Michael Jablonski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:50 AM
> *To:* 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io
> *Subject:* [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message
>
> Ignore this message.
> This is just a test message to confirm that changing the subject line
> in MS Outlook does not start a new Topic.
> No need to reply to this message.
> Apologies for sending an off topic message, but testing is the only
> way to confirm this.
> Michael

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Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

The index key for topics is usually the subject line in most browsers. It is really considered a benefit that this happens. (And this is probably in your browser, not in the group software). The alternative is to eliminate the thread concept and have the end user (you and I) sort them manually (which I have been driven to so I can find stuff....)

Consider a discussion on a manual lathe operation and someone wants to discuss the CAM version and setup. Each thread can go its separate way. Each reader can stay in the lane of his interest.

Also, if you look back at topics on this group, we always seem to start with a turning issue, drift through a carbide versus HSS discussion and slide past sharpening HSS and seem to end up with tailstock alignment followed by a sound thumping of the 7x as a whole.

Had the subject line been edited, each topic would be available as a separate read (or not read as the case may be) and would certainly be easier to find mixed in with all the posts with the subject 'tailstock alignment'.

One man's feature is certainly another man's bug, but look at what it can do as well as what it cant. All cuts can't be made with a parting tool.....

Share your frustration,
Warren L

On 7/18/2018 2:53 PM, Michael Jablonski wrote:

Hmmm, well it looks to me that changing the subject line did in fact start a new topic. I was told that doing this does not start a new topic, but at least to me it appears that it does.

From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Jablonski
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:50 AM
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Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

Ignore this message.

This is just a test message to confirm that changing the subject line in MS Outlook does not start a new Topic.

No need to reply to this message.

Apologies for sending an off topic message, but testing is the only way to confirm this.

Michael

From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:31 AM
To: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io
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Much of what you all are taking about is done by the software on your own computer. So little details like selecting text then clicking "reply", if that works or not depends on what software you are using.
An Apple iPad running IOS-12 is much different from a Windows PC. And even on the PC are you using Chrome or some other browser?

But on every platform there is some way to do what you want. That should be to include only as much of the previous text as is needed. In this case I am responding in general, not to a specific comment so I deleted all but the title.

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Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

Apple's Mail app for iOS keeps it in the same thread as the Procedure posts. Maybe Outlook doesn't do "thread by MessageID".

I can't see the headers here on the iPhone, so I can't be sure as to what Mail is keying on, but I would guess that it follows the In-Reply-To header and groups each message with the previous in the thread.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 13:53, Michael Jablonski <michaeljab@cox.net> wrote:

Hmmm, well it looks to me that changing the subject line did in fact start a new topic. I was told that doing this does not start a new topic, but at least to me it appears that it does.

From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Jablonski
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:50 AM
To: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io
Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

Ignore this message.

This is just a test message to confirm that changing the subject line in MS Outlook does not start a new Topic.

No need to reply to this message.

Apologies for sending an off topic message, but testing is the only way to confirm this.

Michael

From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:31 AM
To: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Procedure

Much of what you all are taking about is done by the software on your own computer. So little details like selecting text then clicking "reply", if that works or not depends on what software you are using.
An Apple iPad running IOS-12 is much different from a Windows PC. And even on the PC are you using Chrome or some other browser?

But on every platform there is some way to do what you want. That should be to include only as much of the previous text as is needed. In this case I am responding in general, not to a specific comment so I deleted all but the title.

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Redondo Beach, California

Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

Hmmm, well it looks to me that changing the subject line did in fact start a new topic. I was told that doing this does not start a new topic, but at least to me it appears that it does.

From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Jablonski
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:50 AM
To: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io
Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

Ignore this message.

This is just a test message to confirm that changing the subject line in MS Outlook does not start a new Topic.

No need to reply to this message.

Apologies for sending an off topic message, but testing is the only way to confirm this.

Michael

From: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io [mailto:7x12MiniLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:31 AM
To: 7x12MiniLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Procedure

Much of what you all are taking about is done by the software on your own computer. So little details like selecting text then clicking "reply", if that works or not depends on what software you are using.

An Apple iPad running IOS-12 is much different from a Windows PC. And even on the PC are you using Chrome or some other browser?

But on every platform there is some way to do what you want. That should be to include only as much of the previous text as is needed. In this case I am responding in general, not to a specific comment so I deleted all but the title.

Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California

[7x12MiniLathe] Test Message

Ignore this message.

This is just a test message to confirm that changing the subject line in MS Outlook does not start a new Topic.

No need to reply to this message.

Apologies for sending an off topic message, but testing is the only way to confirm this.

Michael

An Apple iPad running IOS-12 is much different from a Windows PC. And even on the PC are you using Chrome or some other browser?

Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California

Saturday, 7 July 2018

[electronics101] Filter test

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Monday, 18 June 2018

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Quadrature Test Oscillator

This might be a start, the first Google hit for "audio test iq quadrature".

https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/1946

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Sunday, 17 June 2018

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Quadrature Test Oscillator

Have you looked at this type on ebay ?
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On Sunday, June 17, 2018, 11:21:46 PM EDT, Bob Albert bob91343@yahoo.com [Amateur-repairs] <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am not sure just what it is you are looking for but you might investigate the HP function generator of yore, which has two outputs which can be varied in phase. It's the model 203A. I have one and am wondering if there is some kind of testing I could do of which I am unaware. Please tell me more.
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Need to homebrew, or buy a kit of an oscillator, to test IQ Quadrature of audio, possibly also, rf shift networks. Haven't seen any around!

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Quadrature Test Oscillator

I am not sure just what it is you are looking for but you might investigate the HP function generator of yore, which has two outputs which can be varied in phase. It's the model 203A. I have one and am wondering if there is some kind of testing I could do of which I am unaware. Please tell me more.
Bob
On Sunday, June 17, 2018, 8:03:13 PM PDT, devicesrepairs@gmail.com [Amateur-repairs] <Amateur-repairs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Need to homebrew, or buy a kit of an oscillator, to test IQ Quadrature of audio, possibly also, rf shift networks. Haven't seen any around!

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[Amateur-repairs] Quadrature Test Oscillator

Need to homebrew, or buy a kit of an oscillator, to test IQ Quadrature of audio, possibly also, rf shift networks. Haven't seen any around!

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Thursday, 14 June 2018

SV: [7x12minilathe] just a test for 7x12 lathes group

Thanks Bill
But now it is football.........................
/johannes

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Emne: Re: [7x12minilathe] just a test for 7x12 lathes group

Working fine over here.

Bill

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, 'Johannes' johannes@lavoll.no [7x12minilathe] wrote:

> Hi group
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> I have not get anything from my 7x12 group the last 2 -3 days, so
> this is just a test.
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> Johannes

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