Sunday, 13 November 2016

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH TEST finer lines

 



 
The staedtler lumocolor permanent pen 313 permanent (RED)  0.4 line works for me
The black didn't work in ferric chloride
Regards
Craig VK2ZCM
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH TEST finer lines

 

THANK YOU for the suggestion.

I'll have them here in a few days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262038010827



On 11/13/2016 03:48 AM, 'Dave Wade' dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
 

I believe that some of the Staedtler waterproof markers were reasonably etch resistant, may not be this exact one..

https://www.staedtler.co.uk/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-pen-313-permanent-universal-pen-s/

some folks sell these as etch resist on E-Bay..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121477899315

but they are available with fine tips.

Dave

These are what folks used to recommend
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2016 00:49
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH
> TEST finer lines
>
> On 11/12/2016 9:43 AM, Rob roomberg@ptd.net [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was hoping to find a marker that could leave a finer line.
> > I am getting a real fat line with a sharpie.
> > So I was hoping a new sharpie might leave enough inck for a thinner line.
> > This is too fat for DIP pins:
> > http://www.learnmorsecode.com/laminator/pic/PIC16F628PROTO8d.jpg
> > It works but is tight.
> > http://www.learnmorsecode.com/laminator/hotcakes.html
>
> Hello--
>
> At the risk of revealing the era in which I learned technical drawing (*), how
> about using an erasing shield?
>
> http://drawsketch.about.com/od/materials/ss/erasershield.htm
>
> The online auction site lists a bunch of sources for $.99 on up...
>
> 252478256009
>
> (Usual disclaimers apply.) Also, I haven't tried this due to displacement of my
> drafting kit<g>.
>
> In theory, the marker ink shouldn't spread under the shield and smear, but if
> so, applying some tape on the under side to raise the shield off the
> copperclad might work.
>
> 73--
>
> Brad AA1IP
>
> (*) I worked on the crew that invented Fire....<g>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH TEST finer lines

 

THANK YOU for the suggestion.

I'll have them here in a few days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262038010827



On 11/13/2016 03:48 AM, 'Dave Wade' dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
 

I believe that some of the Staedtler waterproof markers were reasonably etch resistant, may not be this exact one..

https://www.staedtler.co.uk/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-pen-313-permanent-universal-pen-s/

some folks sell these as etch resist on E-Bay..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121477899315

but they are available with fine tips.

Dave

These are what folks used to recommend
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2016 00:49
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH
> TEST finer lines
>
> On 11/12/2016 9:43 AM, Rob roomberg@ptd.net [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was hoping to find a marker that could leave a finer line.
> > I am getting a real fat line with a sharpie.
> > So I was hoping a new sharpie might leave enough inck for a thinner line.
> > This is too fat for DIP pins:
> > http://www.learnmorsecode.com/laminator/pic/PIC16F628PROTO8d.jpg
> > It works but is tight.
> > http://www.learnmorsecode.com/laminator/hotcakes.html
>
> Hello--
>
> At the risk of revealing the era in which I learned technical drawing (*), how
> about using an erasing shield?
>
> http://drawsketch.about.com/od/materials/ss/erasershield.htm
>
> The online auction site lists a bunch of sources for $.99 on up...
>
> 252478256009
>
> (Usual disclaimers apply.) Also, I haven't tried this due to displacement of my
> drafting kit<g>.
>
> In theory, the marker ink shouldn't spread under the shield and smear, but if
> so, applying some tape on the under side to raise the shield off the
> copperclad might work.
>
> 73--
>
> Brad AA1IP
>
> (*) I worked on the crew that invented Fire....<g>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Brad Thompson <brad.thompson@valley.net>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>


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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH TEST finer lines

 

I believe that some of the Staedtler waterproof markers were reasonably etch resistant, may not be this exact one..

https://www.staedtler.co.uk/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-pen-313-permanent-universal-pen-s/

some folks sell these as etch resist on E-Bay..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121477899315

but they are available with fine tips.

Dave

These are what folks used to recommend
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2016 00:49
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH
> TEST finer lines
>
> On 11/12/2016 9:43 AM, Rob roomberg@ptd.net [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was hoping to find a marker that could leave a finer line.
> > I am getting a real fat line with a sharpie.
> > So I was hoping a new sharpie might leave enough inck for a thinner line.
> > This is too fat for DIP pins:
> > http://www.learnmorsecode.com/laminator/pic/PIC16F628PROTO8d.jpg
> > It works but is tight.
> > http://www.learnmorsecode.com/laminator/hotcakes.html
>
> Hello--
>
> At the risk of revealing the era in which I learned technical drawing (*), how
> about using an erasing shield?
>
> http://drawsketch.about.com/od/materials/ss/erasershield.htm
>
> The online auction site lists a bunch of sources for $.99 on up...
>
> 252478256009
>
> (Usual disclaimers apply.) Also, I haven't tried this due to displacement of my
> drafting kit<g>.
>
> In theory, the marker ink shouldn't spread under the shield and smear, but if
> so, applying some tape on the under side to raise the shield off the
> copperclad might work.
>
> 73--
>
> Brad AA1IP
>
> (*) I worked on the crew that invented Fire....<g>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Brad Thompson <brad.thompson@valley.net>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>

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Saturday, 12 November 2016

[Homebrew_PCBs] SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH TEST finer lines SEARCH FOR THE RIGHT MARKER

 

I had 6 years of drafting.
4 in high school and 2 after high school.
I have drawn houses, office buildings, hospitals, solar houses.... footings to shingles
and then
one day in 1981  I saw a house get drawn on an IBM PC .. a 286...... every stick of lumber....
in about two minutes. I knew right then that computers would take the jobs away from a pencil pushing
draftsmen like me ....
so thats when I joined the dark side... and pursued a computer programming career.
 
I am not opposed to the idea of using an eraser shield
BUT
it is not the goal to use fat markers as much as it is the goal to find a VERY thin marker that
does have the right chemistry to draw an SMT pad and hairline copper traces.

AND
since there are more than one permanent marker companies like SHARPIE and ARTLINE
I just figured I would share results of my experiments and if any of you guys do find a fine line marker with
resistance to acid etching solutions then shout it out here.









On 11/12/2016 11:31 PM, Brad Thompson brad.thompson@valley.net [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
 

On 11/12/2016 10:38 PM, roylowenthal@yahoo.com [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
>
>
> What's wrong with erasing shields? I still occasionally use one & just
> showed SWMBO the benefits of an Opaline bag for a pencil sketching class
> she's taking on line.
>
Hello, Roy and the group--

Nothing, really-- In response to Bob Roomberg's experiments with marker pens
as dispensers of resist for PC-board paths, an erasing shield might
serve as a
"mask" or template for creation of uniform traces on handmade boards.
Press the shield to the copperclad, drag a marking pen over the
appropriate opening in the shield, and you *might* have straighter and
better-looking traces.

As for the Opaline bag, I think there's one in my supplies cabinet,
along with a motor-driven eraser that can chew its way through a sheet
of paper in no time at all if
carelessly used<g>.

73--

Brad AA1IP


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On 11/12/2016 10:38 PM, roylowenthal@yahoo.com [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
>
>
> What's wrong with erasing shields? I still occasionally use one & just
> showed SWMBO the benefits of an Opaline bag for a pencil sketching class
> she's taking on line.
>
Hello, Roy and the group--

Nothing, really-- In response to Bob Roomberg's experiments with marker pens
as dispensers of resist for PC-board paths, an erasing shield might
serve as a
"mask" or template for creation of uniform traces on handmade boards.
Press the shield to the copperclad, drag a marking pen over the
appropriate opening in the shield, and you *might* have straighter and
better-looking traces.

As for the Opaline bag, I think there's one in my supplies cabinet,
along with a motor-driven eraser that can chew its way through a sheet
of paper in no time at all if
carelessly used<g>.

73--

Brad AA1IP

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: SHARPIE PERMANENT MARKER ETCH TEST finer lines

 

What's wrong with erasing shields? I still occasionally use one & just showed SWMBO the benefits of an Opaline bag for a pencil sketching class she's taking on line.


Roy

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Re: [atlas_craftsman] Post Test

 

What does this have to do with a lathe?


On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:51 AM, paulguenter@att.net [atlas_craftsman] <atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I voted against the one i did not want. Needless to say Trump got my vote. I would not give that lier  clinton a chance. Voted democratic all my live except this time
 
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From: "'John Fry' jefj5285@valornet.com [atlas_craftsman]" <atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:39 PM
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We're all in shock from the election!  Either in shock that Trump won or that Hillary lost.  Seems like the same thing but depends on where you're coming from.
 
jefj
 
From: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 1:17 PM
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Robert
I noticed that i was not getting mail from the forum could be no one had anything to say
 
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Well, that worked.  I guess that no one has had anything to say.

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