Wednesday, 6 August 2025

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Me, I prefer a wearable Cesium 133 atomic wristwatch (1 Sec error/1,000 years), like this one:


YOUTUBE - World's First True Atomic Wristwatch

I figure I'd also take my CW paddle along with me and I'm instantly the most popular guy at my neighborhood bar!

YOUTUBE - Morse vs. SMS

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 2:09 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Tuesday, 5 August 2025

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

I think the combination of a GPSDO of some kind, plus a multi-capability standards set like this one would cover most of what you will practically need.  Much of the test gear will take the 10 Mhz GPSDO output as a frequency reference which ensures your gear is running at the right indicated speed/times.  And then for the various other stuff, try this:

https://dmmcheckplus.com/shop/ols/products/dmm-check-plus-fully-loaded-with-all-options-lc-board-enclosure-and-dual-frequency

I've got a version of that unit and it's been great for the 5 or so years I've had it (I'm a satisfied customer).  Provides L/C/R AC/DC.  And it will cover anything hams will need to service ham gear.  

Generically speaking, to go from "pretty certain the absolute accuracy is very close" to the next step "highly certain" takes you down a rabbit hole that literally has no limit from a money sucking potential.  If you want to get a feel for just how deep that can go, check out the time-nuts and volt-nuts reflectors.  

73/jeff/ac0c  alpha-charlie-zero-charlie  www.ac0c.com
On 8/5/2025 3:02 AM, Bob VK2ZRE via groups.io wrote:
Pretty sure this is just a GPS Disciplined Crystal Oscillator. Not much Rubidium in this one;-)
However, this is still a very useful frequency standard.
Cheers...Bob VK2ZRE


On 4/08/2025 8:58 pm, jahman via groups.io wrote:

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Pretty sure this is just a GPS Disciplined Crystal Oscillator. Not much Rubidium in this one;-)
However, this is still a very useful frequency standard.
Cheers...Bob VK2ZRE


On 4/08/2025 8:58 pm, jahman via groups.io wrote:

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Monday, 4 August 2025

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Sorry all,  on my last post I just marked up   what I replied to from Andrew , and did not mention it up top, leaving things extra confusing.  

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 7:34 PM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
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"Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?"

 

Not sure about a double OCXO; one would seem to be enough?  .. well i saw them on the WWW and i assume one oven inside another [working like 2 IF filters]

One takes the worst of the shock from turning the A/C on and the other doing the fine temp tuning to a fragment of 0.001 degree [or whatever]

 

A GPS-disciplined rubidium atomic clock just locks to GPS as long as the GPS signal is available.  When it isn't, then the OCXO "freewheels" locked to the slightly less-accurate rubidium physics package. Well yes, as I just read, but Rubidium is long term-stable but a short-term  jitterbug so it seems it must be a slow loc? , and just how it is done; I have not seen.

 

GPS is more accurate than the rubidium standard as the atomic clocks aboard the GPS sats are is disciplined to the 450 atomic clocks governing TAI - International Atomic Time (the time behind UTC). ok

 

Also having two OCXOS would cause confusion, as you already found out. :-)   right,  but I said 2 ovens,,

AI Overview

 

A dual-oven OCXO (Double Oven Crystal Oscillator) is an OCXO with an extra oven surrounding the primary oven, further stabilizing the crystal's temperature and improving frequency stability. This design provides superior performance compared to single-oven OCXOs, especially in demanding applications requiring very tight frequency control. 

 

OK  I have now got goofyitus and my time has run out. Now what do I do with a dangling second?  Hit SEND now!

See:  WIKIPEDIA - Rubidium standard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium_standard

 

And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things

 

You're welcome!  Time metrology is a lot of fun.  You might enjoy the story of this dad taking his

kids and 3 atomic clocks up a mountain for a weekend to measure relativistic time dilation whne

he got back home and measured the 3 clocks agains his other 20+ atomic clocks in his basement.

 

I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?

 

General and Special relativity means being early or late depends on which timeframe you're using.

 

State of the art timekeeping these days means 18 or 19 reliable significant figures (mankind's most

precise measurement made ever) are available for measuring time with an error of substantially less

than half a second in "all of time", meaning in all the time elapsed since time began with the Big Bang

13.7 billion years ago (specifically the error is one second every 34 billion years).  Excitation frequency is 1,121,015,393,207,857.4 Hz (1.12 PetaHz) thanks to a UV laser.

 

This level of precision means you can measure time slippage down to a height difference of only

2 cm, i.e. on each side of a piece of toast lying on your plate.  See:

 

WIKIPEDIA - Quantum Logic Clock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_logic_clock

 

The proble with such a clock is your cleaning lady moves it from one side of the table to the other

and by doing so thanks to relativity, poof! there goes your time standard.

 

Now if I could only get a round doit and sync my Heathkit SB-104A to my atomic clock...

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 6:56 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?  

And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things

I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 1:40 PM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

Dang!  Sorry about that!

 

This is the one I have and it does sport a rubidium "physics package" inside:

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 10:20 AM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Andrew, that seems to be a GPS disciplined crystal, but I'm a learner of this stuff.

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 6:59 AM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

And here's the URL for the story of the Dad demoing relativity to his 3 kids:

LEAPSECOND - Project GREAT: General Relativity Einstein/Essen Anniversary Test

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 8:34 PM jahman via groups.io <jah=alumni.princeton.edu@groups.io> wrote:

"Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?"


Not sure about a double OCXO; one would seem to be enough?


A GPS-disciplined rubidium atomic clock just locks to GPS as long as the GPS signal is available.  When it isn't, then the OCXO "freewheels" locked to the slightly less-accurate rubidium physics package.


GPS is more accurate than the rubidium standard as the atomic clocks aboard the GPS sats are is disciplined to the 450 atomic clocks governing TAI - International Atomic Time (the time behind UTC).


Also having two OCXOS would cause confusion, as you already found out. :-)


See:  WIKIPEDIA - Rubidium standard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium_standard


And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things


You're welcome!  Time metrology is a lot of fun.  You might enjoy the story of this dad taking his

kids and 3 atomic clocks up a mountain for a weekend to measure relativistic time dilation whne

he got back home and measured the 3 clocks agains his other 20+ atomic clocks in his basement.


I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?


General and Special relativity means being early or late depends on which timeframe you're using.


State of the art timekeeping these days means 18 or 19 reliable significant figures (mankind's most

precise measurement made ever) are available for measuring time with an error of substantially less

than half a second in "all of time", meaning in all the time elapsed since time began with the Big Bang

13.7 billion years ago (specifically the error is one second every 34 billion years).  Excitation frequency is 1,121,015,393,207,857.4 Hz (1.12 PetaHz) thanks to a UV laser.


This level of precision means you can measure time slippage down to a height difference of only

2 cm, i.e. on each side of a piece of toast lying on your plate.  See:


WIKIPEDIA - Quantum Logic Clock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_logic_clock


The proble with such a clock is your cleaning lady moves it from one side of the table to the other

and by doing so thanks to relativity, poof! there goes your time standard.


Now if I could only get a round doit and sync my Heathkit SB-104A to my atomic clock...


73 de Andrew/N5ASE


On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 6:56 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?  

And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things

I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 1:40 PM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

Dang!  Sorry about that!

 

This is the one I have and it does sport a rubidium "physics package" inside:

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 10:20 AM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Andrew, that seems to be a GPS disciplined crystal, but I'm a learner of this stuff.

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 6:59 AM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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"Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?"


Not sure about a double OCXO; one would seem to be enough?


A GPS-disciplined rubidium atomic clock just locks to GPS as long as the GPS signal is available.  When it isn't, then the OCXO "freewheels" locked to the slightly less-accurate rubidium physics package.


GPS is more accurate than the rubidium standard as the atomic clocks aboard the GPS sats are is disciplined to the 450 atomic clocks governing TAI - International Atomic Time (the time behind UTC).


Also having two OCXOS would cause confusion, as you already found out. :-)


See:  WIKIPEDIA - Rubidium standard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium_standard


And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things


You're welcome!  Time metrology is a lot of fun.  You might enjoy the story of this dad taking his

kids and 3 atomic clocks up a mountain for a weekend to measure relativistic time dilation whne

he got back home and measured the 3 clocks agains his other 20+ atomic clocks in his basement.


I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?


General and Special relativity means being early or late depends on which timeframe you're using.


State of the art timekeeping these days means 18 or 19 reliable significant figures (mankind's most

precise measurement made ever) are available for measuring time with an error of substantially less

than half a second in "all of time", meaning in all the time elapsed since time began with the Big Bang

13.7 billion years ago (specifically the error is one second every 34 billion years).  Excitation frequency is 1,121,015,393,207,857.4 Hz (1.12 PetaHz) thanks to a UV laser.


This level of precision means you can measure time slippage down to a height difference of only

2 cm, i.e. on each side of a piece of toast lying on your plate.  See:


WIKIPEDIA - Quantum Logic Clock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_logic_clock


The proble with such a clock is your cleaning lady moves it from one side of the table to the other

and by doing so thanks to relativity, poof! there goes your time standard.


Now if I could only get a round doit and sync my Heathkit SB-104A to my atomic clock...


73 de Andrew/N5ASE


On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 6:56 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?  

And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things

I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 1:40 PM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

Dang!  Sorry about that!

 

This is the one I have and it does sport a rubidium "physics package" inside:

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 10:20 AM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Andrew, that seems to be a GPS disciplined crystal, but I'm a learner of this stuff.

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 6:59 AM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Thanks Andrew, now I see it has a rubidium clock, it does not say, but it likely has a double-oven  OCXO?  

And thanks for helping me get educated a little, there is a lot that is hidden about these things

I'M LATE  BY about 15000.01010101017  seconds, and I wonder how long it will take to get to you?

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 1:40 PM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
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Dang!  Sorry about that!

 

This is the one I have and it does sport a rubidium "physics package" inside:

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 10:20 AM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Andrew, that seems to be a GPS disciplined crystal, but I'm a learner of this stuff.

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 6:59 AM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
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73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Dang!  Sorry about that!

This is the one I have and it does sport a rubidium "physics package" inside:

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 10:20 AM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Andrew, that seems to be a GPS disciplined crystal, but I'm a learner of this stuff.

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 6:59 AM
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

 

 

73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Clint, maybe I shouldn't have asked; all that rigging sounds over my head.

don

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of Clint, VE3CMQ
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 1:00 PM
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Back in the twenty teens, they were clearing these out on EBAY.  It was just the module but they were simple to get going.  Just needed +12 and +5 and away they went, outputting a 10MHz clock.

 

In the same box I put a GPS module that outputted a 10 MHz clock.  These were cheap as well and only needed a small antenna to work.  I also added an active splitter so I had multiple outputs.

 

The I managed to get a laboratory GPS time base, also off of EBAY, and this is the one I usually use.  It takes about an hour to get locked up tight so it is always powered up and drives much of my test equipment.  It's nice that they all sing off the same time base!

 

If I go portable and need accuracy, I take the rubidium clock.

 

Clint, VE3CMQ

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io <Amateur-repairs@groups.io> On Behalf Of don Root via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2025 21:57
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Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Back in the twenty teens, they were clearing these out on EBAY.  It was just the module but they were simple to get going.  Just needed +12 and +5 and away they went, outputting a 10MHz clock.

 

In the same box I put a GPS module that outputted a 10 MHz clock.  These were cheap as well and only needed a small antenna to work.  I also added an active splitter so I had multiple outputs.

 

The I managed to get a laboratory GPS time base, also off of EBAY, and this is the one I usually use.  It takes about an hour to get locked up tight so it is always powered up and drives much of my test equipment.  It's nice that they all sing off the same time base!

 

If I go portable and need accuracy, I take the rubidium clock.

 

Clint, VE3CMQ

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io <Amateur-repairs@groups.io> On Behalf Of don Root via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2025 21:57
To: Amateur-repairs@groups.io
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Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Andrew, that seems to be a GPS disciplined crystal, but I'm a learner of this stuff.

 

From: Amateur-repairs@groups.io [mailto:Amateur-repairs@groups.io] On Behalf Of jahman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 6:59 AM
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73 de Andrew/N5ASE

 

On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:57 PM don Root via groups.io <drootofallevil=teksavvy.com@groups.io> wrote:

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?


73 de Andrew/N5ASE

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Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.


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Sunday, 3 August 2025

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

Clint, how did you come by "my Rubidium time base."?  The ones I see advertized would clean my pockets out just for a down payment.

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

RE: "A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure."

So   no wonder I’m always late. But mine stopped.  

Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

On Sun, 03 Aug 2025 13:39:29 -0700, "Clint, VE3CMQ" <ve6cmm@secrs.com>
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>For frequency tests, I use a commercial GPS receiver with a 10MHz reference output or my Rubidium time base.  It's interesting to watch both of them on a scope as over several seconds, one will drift a cycle.  Now I don't know which one is correct!  That's the problem with having 2 or more references, you never know which one to believe!


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never sure." — Segal's Law


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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

For frequency tests, I use a commercial GPS receiver with a 10MHz reference output or my Rubidium time base.  It's interesting to watch both of them on a scope as over several seconds, one will drift a cycle.  Now I don't know which one is correct!  That's the problem with having 2 or more references, you never know which one to believe!
 
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Re: [Amateur-repairs] Calibrating test equipment?

For frequency I use WWV, for FM I use the Bessel method, for RF level (generator and receive on the spec a) I use a friend's unit that has traceable reference.
For voltage (AC and DC) I sent my Fluke meter for check (as a reference) for my other DVMs and old school meters. But yes, time goes on for the old equipment.
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