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On Saturday 13 September 2014 11:03:00 pm Paul Alciatore palciatore@gt.rr.com [Electronics_101] wrote:
  > The 600 Ohm impedance which was 
  > standardized in the early days of AM radio with tube circuits,
  
  I have my doubts about that.  It came from telephone systems,  I think.
  
  What tube circuits have that sort of impedance?  I don't recall any.
  
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I offer several facts for you to consider.
  
  1. Most computer cards do not have speaker level/impedance outputs. 
  They will not have a power amplifier which is needed for speakers. 
  Perhaps enough for headphones, but then the jack would be marked for 
  them. I would bet large sums that the card you have has a "line 
  output". But read below.
  
  2. Not all "line outputs" are created equal. In the professional and 
  broadcast world, where I happen to come from, line output means an 
  output that is capable of delivering between 0 and +10 dbm into a 600 
  Ohm load. 0 dbm (deci Bells, milliWatt) can be easily be calculated 
  as 0.775 V (V^2 / R = 0.001W). But that is into a 600 Ohm load, not a 
  high impedance. On the other hand, much consumer equipment, probably 
  including computer cards, will use the same Voltage level but with a 
  high source impedance. So, if it is attached to a 600 Ohm load, the 
  high source impedance will effectively be in series with that 600 Ohm 
  load resistance and the Voltage level will be divided down to a very 
  low value, perhaps around 0.05V or less. Hence a high impedance, line 
  level output can not properly drive a 600 Ohm load. Most consumer 
  equipment takes this into account and then uses high impedance 
  inputs, which limit this Voltage loss to perhaps a factor of 50% or 
  around 0.4V. Not ideal, but usable. The tradeoff is in noise pickup 
  in the lines between devices. The 600 Ohm impedance which was 
  standardized in the early days of AM radio with tube circuits, is 
  barely considered low by today's standards where a transistor output 
  can have an output impedance of 1 Ohm or less. But it still has a lot 
  more resistance to noise pickup than a 10,000 Ohm, high impedance circuit.
  
  3. The trick in many modern audio systems is to use a very low 
  impedance output with high impedance inputs. If the cable lengths are 
  not too long, perhaps under 100 feet for most audio cables, this 
  works very well. And since the source impedance is low, the noise 
  immunity is still good.
  
  4. Your card that is marked Left, Right, and Center Speakers is 
  probably some form of "line outputs" that are simply labeled for 
  those speakers, respectively. In all probability, they do not have a 
  speaker style signal and if you fed them to speakers you would have a 
  very low sound because the low impedance of the speakers would drop 
  the level way down.
  
  5. Many, dare I say ALL, computer "speakers" are really are a 
  combination of a speaker and an audio power amplifier in the same 
  package. They are DESIGNEDfor "line level" inputs to match the "line 
  level" outputs of computer cards.
  
  So, you probably have almost exactly what you need.
  
  One more thought. In a professional environment I often used a low 
  impedance audio output to feed high impedance inputs. This has never 
  produced any problems and is almost the preferred way of doing it in 
  many circumstances. Audio signals do not normally have lines that are 
  long enough to produce the standing wave and reflection problems that 
  higher, radio frequency signals do so having the "proper" terminating 
  resistance at the receiving end of the line really is not necessary. 
  
  
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I can't say that I know a whole lot about capacitors but the only time I have used tantalum is for power supply filtering. Personally, I doubt that I would consider them for something like a tuned circuit. A very quick glance at DigiKey shows that tantalum capacitors come with a 5%, 10% or 20% tolerance.
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There are tolerance ratings given in the selection criteria at DigiKey. When you select 1 of several 'standard' values for C or L, they may as well be as accurate as possible. Within cost constraints. OTOH, this device is probably not going to set a new standard for precision measurement so maybe 5% is close enough.
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I am personally interested to know (or test), for the crucial parts in a circuit like a resonant LC, the characteristic sensitivities of a component with temperature.
I didn't have the chance to have tantalum capacitors but I think their temperature coefficients of their value and ESR/leakage are relatively low at a certain frequency.
Though there are other things to be considered, I liked to say that the value tolerance may be important in large production only since calibrating costs time and money which may not be the case in most personal applications.
Kerim
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Hello Richard
Many Thanks
Patrick
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